Mikolaj Habryn ([info]dichro) wrote,

Seasteading musings, reposted with correct date :P

“If you want to build a ship, don’t drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea.” --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Yesterday, the First Annual Seasteading Conference took place (ILTC). I couldn't quite convince myself not to harbour some scepticism, but it turned out to be remarkably civilized and sensible.

I was ecstatic[0] when I first heard, some months back, that TSI had secured real financing for developing the idea, but increasingly nonplussed as the plan to focus on developing a spar-buoy naval design emerged. I've long hewed to the view that floating is largely a solved problem, and the interesting parts of this project are social and economic.

There is, however, a case to be made (although I don't know that TSI would choose to make it) that you need symbols to build belief, and the amount of press that this garnered that focussed to a large extent on the planned physical structure was impressive. I like to imagine that there's some impressionable teenagers out there taking all of this in with wide eyes, and that they'll have matured into useful human beings while retaining a kernel of idealism by the time I'm ready to put them to work.

Also, if Ephemerisle goes ahead, I will be there. This is, after all, why I took sailing school. The discussion of it at the conference, however, was diametrically opposed to the quote opening this post, so I'm not too optimistic just yet (not that I helped matters by getting engrossed in how to lay out a stable 2d lattice of ships tethered to each other, tensioned by a small number of them running their engines continually).

[0] Possibly a slight overstatement, but not as much as you might think.
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[info]wildilocks

October 11 2008, 23:31:15 UTC 3 years ago

Ah hah! We obviously did not talk enough while I was over for BM! My friend Joel [info]ferrouswheel mentioned this a while back in his LJ, possibly was at this too.

I can't get over the potential problems of living at sea permanently though - there's so much erosion of metals from the salt, rocking about aaaall the time - and then, storms!

[info]dichro

October 12 2008, 07:44:36 UTC 3 years ago

True, but these are thing that the world has long since solved in the form of cruise ships. I actually find the idea of just booking a stateroom on a cruise ship indefinitely somewhat alluring, if out of reach for the near future :)

[info]wildilocks

October 13 2008, 15:22:44 UTC 3 years ago

Yes, but cruise ships *dock* regularly, don't they? I guess I just can't imagine it, I suppose I'm a landlubber at heart, arrr! I think I'd only be able to handle being on a boat, knowing I was going*to* somewhere.

[info]dichro

October 13 2008, 16:25:31 UTC 3 years ago

Just think of it as a small serviced apartment in a small village surrounded by impassable terrain whose only redeeming virtues are ready availability of drinking and gambling. Does that make it better?

[info]patrissimo

October 13 2008, 04:16:35 UTC 3 years ago

Glad you liked the conference!

Floating is a solved problem. Floating in an incremental, modular, cheap way is not.

Any thoughts you have on ephemerisle (EI) meta-organization are welcome!

[info]dichro

October 13 2008, 16:23:14 UTC 3 years ago

Floating in an incremental, modular, cheap way is not.

Like everyone else, I'm waiting for MI&T's results with bated breath :) (although having them pecked to death by us chickens will not be an inspiring thing to behold)

Any thoughts you have on ephemerisle (EI) meta-organization are welcome!

I think I'm just impatient, to be honest. I'm personally less interested in Ranger organization for the first event than in establishing a date, place and showpiece - the single lesson that I'd draw from BM is that the physical existence of the symbol matters.

Maybe erect the first spar buoy platform for the occasion, even if it's too small for more than a few people at a time, and we don't get to burn it afterwards (at least, not unless we're outside the EEZ)?

And, yeah, the conference was many kinds of fantastic. Looking forward to the next social.

[info]patrissimo

October 13 2008, 20:55:17 UTC 3 years ago

Sounds good. We are thinking about having EI and the next conference a few days apart next summer. EI would be in the bay as a start. Wayne is looking for someone local who knows how to make ferrocement so he can make a little bitty spar buoy (that fits in a trailer). So work is happening!

And I will def. be in touch about a sailing club. Wayne apparently has a little inflatable catamaran he never uses that we can start with.
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